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Heels Down

Last post 12-31-2008 9:45 AM by B-B. 16 replies.
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  • 02-24-2008 12:55 PM

    Heels Down

    I know this topic is proabaly on here a million times but I need help really bad!

    My heels ride up on me almost all the time. If I let my weight sink into them totally, it leaves almost a 45 degree angle between my toe and chin. I am really flexible.  My instructor says that I ride on my feet a lot and that I swing my leg back, which causes me to lean forward which puts weight on my horses shoulders and causes him to get frustrated and ignore my signal to canter. But if I don't pull my leg back I feel as though I can't reach him. If I put my leg on his girth then from the top of my boot down (I have paddock boots) I feel like I'm not touching him. And trying to "wrap my legs around him" causes my knees and thighs to come off the saddle which is a huge no no. Also, my feet slip through the sturrips all the time because I raise my legs and that makes my heels go way up. Does anyone know any exersices or something I can do to help this? Major is incredibaly bouncy, so no-sturrip work is very difficult ad leaves me bouncing everywhere since I can't sit trot on him for the death of me. Show season is right around the corner and I really need to get this right like now!!!Crying

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  • 02-24-2008 1:05 PM In reply to

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    I have never had the problem of keeping my heels down and most people would say I am over-flexing my ankle but its just my conformation, so my tip to you is just something from my head that I think would work. Raise your stirrup leathers about four or five holes past your normal length. As you practice riding like that, you may find that when you have your weight pressed onto the balls of your feet on the stirrup, you'll tip foward a lot especially at the faster gaits. Concentrate on keepin you heels down so that your weight goes past your toes and down into you heels which will give you a more secure feeling. The more you notice that you are able to keep you heels down, slowly over time lower the holes until eventually you notice that you are back at your origional hole.

    I hope this helps!! 


    Me riding Flash
  • 02-24-2008 1:14 PM In reply to

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    No stirrup work is supposed to be extremely difficult and is EXACTLY what I'd tell you to do.  You shouldn't have to sit his trot without stirrups, post like you normally would.  Yes it's hard, yes it will hurt, yes you won't be able to walk right for 2 days afterwards...but it will tremendously help your riding.  Start slow, but be consistent about it.  Do a lap or two each ride at a posting trot with no stirrups and gradually build up your strength, no stirrup canter work will also help.  When you get better you can take the stirrups completely off your saddle.  (My trainer used to hide every pair of stirrups and leathers in the barn for MONTHS at a time, and we still took our lessons as normal, 4ft courses on large strided hard to sit horses and all (well not me, I was never good enough to do 4ft courses period, but some of the other riders were)).
  • 02-24-2008 4:35 PM In reply to

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    Yup, definetely work without stirrups. It'll take time and effort but once you find your balance, you'll find that your legs will naturally fall into the correct position and stay there. Personally, I love working with stirrups. Although it is difficult to do at the beginning, it work wonders for me..

    Goodluck !

  • 02-24-2008 8:36 PM In reply to

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    I have to echo everyone here.... there's nothing that can improve and strengthen legs like riding without stirrups! I know it's pretty difficult on a bumpy horse though. If it helps could you get someone to put you on a lunge line as you do it? 

    Another exercise to strengthen legs (with stirrups) is to ride in your 2 point (or half seat). It really shows how moving your legs back throws your body forward, legs forward throws your body back. You simply can't stay up and balanced in a correct half seat if your leg isn't in the right place. It will also allow your heels to stretch (just relax your ankles and let them drop down, don't force them or your leg will push forward) Step 2 would be to get up into your half seat and squeeze your calves and thighs, but NOT your heels or it will drive your horse forward! If you do it right your horse shouldn't go forward. It's an isometric exercise that's pretty difficult when you do it correctly. Practice squeezing and counting to 10, increasing as your legs get stronger. Geof Teall describes this excerise in one of his books if you look it up. (i wish i could remember which oneTongue Tied)

  • 02-25-2008 12:24 AM In reply to

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    My coach recently (the 17th) noticed that for the past year I've been using the wrong muscles in my calf. She has me going back to pushing my heels down and my toes in and holding this in 2-point during my warm-up. When my legs feel stable, I half-post for 4-5 strides. If I'm able to keep my legs (and heels) in place then I go posting. If not, back to 2-point. Also work on this at the walk sitting. I also ditto no stirrups (sitting, posting, and 2-point). This is the only way that I'm able to bend my legs around any horse (heels down, toes in).

    Christina

    My Life.

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  • 12-13-2008 2:52 PM In reply to

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    Go to this link it gives great ideas

    http://horses.about.com/od/learntoride/a/heelsdown.htm

  • 12-13-2008 6:20 PM In reply to

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    QHAllAround:
    No stirrup work is supposed to be extremely difficult and is EXACTLY what I'd tell you to do.  You shouldn't have to sit his trot without stirrups, post like you normally would.  Yes it's hard, yes it will hurt, yes you won't be able to walk right for 2 days afterwards...but it will tremendously help your riding. 
     

    Ditto 110%.



    Solaris -- 16 hh Appendix Quarter Horse = MY DREAM COME TRUE!
  • 12-14-2008 7:19 PM In reply to

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    if you have trouble with the sitting trot try riding bareback or with a bareback pad. Relax your entire body and you will find your balance. If not you'll find the ground =]
    Addie,
    Lover of Ponies.
    Owner of a Fabulous Argentine Warmblood.


  • 12-14-2008 7:22 PM In reply to

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     I would say yes to no stirrup work but you did say your horse was extremely bouncy Tongue Tied... I know your pain. I have a Saddlebred/Morgan cross who you absolutly can not in a lifetime sit his trot. My trainer even rode him and tried and she couldn't. But if I feel like i'm not putting my heels down hard enough what i do is 1st off make sure that my feet aren't too far into the stirrup, then 2nd I will make the horse trot and two point until I feel my ankles really flexed and I feel like i'm in a really nice two point. then I sit down very slowly and carefully while i signal the horse to slow to a walk. I try to keep my leg in the exact spot where it was and keep my ankle flexed the same. Then after i'm situated then I ask the horse to trot again and I'll post, if I go back to raising my ankles then i go back to m two point. Good Luck!! Also I had a saddle that was actually putting me in the wrong postition. Make sure that you are riding in a quality saddle. I like the HDRs and Coligetes my self but thats just preference. You might want to try riding in a different saddle and seeing if it changes any thing Smile


    Horses give us the wings that we lack <3
  • 12-14-2008 7:26 PM In reply to

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     Hey Solaris how do you make thoes banners like the one u have for ur signature?? Thanks


    Horses give us the wings that we lack <3
  • 12-15-2008 6:44 AM In reply to

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    Hey Heather -- since I have a very boring life (LOL!), you just spend an entire night mucking around with pictures and effects in photoshop.  :-)



    Solaris -- 16 hh Appendix Quarter Horse = MY DREAM COME TRUE!
  • 12-15-2008 11:57 AM In reply to

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     Does your horse have a big barrel? That would make it more difficult. Still, I agree with the no-stirrup work. Work in half seat might help too. And remember there are ground exercises you can do to get your heels in the right position. You need at least one step in your home, but most people have that. Good luck!

  • 12-15-2008 5:59 PM In reply to

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    I know I'm repeating what everyone else said, but no stirrup work is definitely helpful, as is two-point. However, another exercise I use is standing in the stirrups at the walk and trot. This forces you to put your heels down because you cannot stand in the stirrups with your heels up; you will definitely fall forward. This exercise really helped me. Let us know how everything works out!

  • 12-17-2008 7:15 AM In reply to

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    Going to sound like a broken record here but sounds like you need to do no stirrup work.  If you don't find your balance/center/seat none of your aids are going to be effective.   I'm confused as to why being flexible is a problem.  That should make keeping your leg down and your shoulders back much easier.


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