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Top 5 Things a Barn/Riding Facility must have in order to move your horse

Last post 04-13-2008 1:20 AM by CatnJouke. 6 replies.
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  • 04-05-2008 2:23 PM

    Top 5 Things a Barn/Riding Facility must have in order to move your horse

    Hi all:

    WARNING:  This is very long!  Please help!

    Good day.  I am having a bit of a problem with my 1st horse that I have had now for about 5 months.  He is a youngster (5 year old recently gelded Friesian) and went on a full out bucking episode with one of my barn friends today that really scared me.  Thankfully she was OK but it was really freaky since 3 horse had issues today.

    We seem to be going backwards in our time together and I was so shocked as I have never see him do this before.  He has him moments, usually when doing ground work but not while riding.  This was full out, bucking bronco that had me thanking everyone I was not the one riding him.  That was the clincher!

     I have been thinking about moving him to another barn for a few reasons which include that I do not have the proper facilities/things that one needs for such a young horse.  The only problem is, I don't know if I can get all that I need all at the same barn. So now I need to weigh what is most important when I decide to move him.  Unfortunately, the choices seem to be very limited here.

    Let me give you some history:  I have been around horses all my life but only half boarded (never owned) my own horse in the States.  I am now in my early thirties and took the plunge into ownership while living overseas in another country.   This is a whole new ball game, let me tell you! 

    While I know there is no rush and nothing to prove because he is so young now, I feel as if we have made no progress in the barn I found here and that the Barn Manager basically says yes to me but nothing really happens.  It could also be the language barrier and I have my husband do alot of the talking most of the time. 

    When I was younger, I worked in a broodmare/racehorse layup barn that basically taught me the following:

    1.  Turnout is good for your horse.  The more time the better.  First thing in the morning after feeding time.

    2.  Mucking a stall is not picking it out!

    3.  Find an instructer that knows what he/she is really doing.

    4.  Be safe at all times including having proper fencing, enclosures etc. especially when doing ground work such as longing.

    5.  The stall/box should be of an adequate size.

     

    COMMON IN THIS PART OF EUROPE

    1. Several possible barns that I looked at said they never turned out their horses (one woman said they just want to come back in!) and another had a small, enclosed dirt pit for turnout.  This was a very upscale barn by the way.

    2. When I did stalls as a groom, I really mucked them, banking them up against the wall and sweeping the rubber mats underneath.  My Friesian's stall has been picked and I complained until there was such little improvement, I just started doing it myself.  I was not surprised when my Friesian developed thrush on his back hoof and I am fanatical about picking them out.  The stalls in several barns I looked at were - well atrocious!

    3.  My instructor keeps telling me to ride, ride, ride which is very hard for me to do when I have commute 3.5 hours 4 days a week.  I ride my horse on Wednesdays, Saturdays and Sundays and have 2 other girls ride him on Monday and Thursday or Friday.  It is not hard riding as he is still a youngster.  The days that I am at the barn, you have to fight for indoor arena time as there are just way too many riders.  Once outside, you are on your own.   We had 4 horses in total freak out today (including my worked indoors only Friesian) because the indoor arena flooded last weekend and we are now forced to ride outside.  What a learning experience this has been. 

    4.  We have an exercise machine that is pretty commonly used in this part of Europe.  I try to limit him to 2-3 times per week but since he is not worked that much, needs to get some type of exercise. 

    Based on all of this information, can you please give me some feedback on my thinking here:

    1.  Turnout.  Potential new barn has the small, enclosed menage or dirt pit that they charge you for every time one of the staff turns your horse out.  My existing barn has a huge paddock that unfortunately cannot be used for the next 2 weeks due to grass seeds but there is no charge for this services.  I know for a fact that my Friesian's bucking was caused by excess energy / no turnout.  By the way, I am the only owner in this barn that has requested daily turnout.  I am like the Alien American here!  So charged for dirt pit or free paddock?

    2.  New barn has a great Grand Prix instructor but is pretty expensive.  Existing barn has a very reasonable rate for both combined training and actual lessons from the Barn Manager who is a bit eccentric. 

    3.  The stall/box is a bit smaller in the new barn and there are alot of horses (40 to about 16).  Stalls are smaller but so clean.  The indoor arenas are very crowded in both barns so there is no way to get around that.

    4.  I can longe in the indoor arena in the new place.  Currently, I cannot longe in any of the rings at my existing barn except for an area that has no fence and goes onto a main road.  The Barn Manager says this ruins the floor.  My horse is extremely strong and we are working on the dominance issue now but when he bucks/rears/ and drags me across this area for the 1st few minutes, it is very scary.  I am just waiting for him to get away from me soon!

    5.  Existing barn has no trails (not possible right now anyhow since he is really strong) new barn has tons of trails.

    6.  Potential barn is 5 minutes from my apartment, existing barn about 20+ minutes.  This would help my commute time of 1.45 in each direction.

    7.  Being charged for every little thing at the new barn.  Lump sum all/heavily discounted rate at existing barn.

     Thanks for your help.  I really would like to hear what you all believe are the must haves at a barn.  I really feel like I am banging my head against a brick wall trying to express the way I have been taught in the States vs. the European way.

     Cat

     

     

     

     

      

     

  • 04-05-2008 9:13 PM In reply to

    Re: Top 5 Things a Barn/Riding Facility must have in order to move your horse

    CatnJouke:

     

    We seem to be going backwards in our time together and I was so shocked as I have never see him do this before.  He has him moments, usually when doing ground work but not while riding.  This was full out, bucking bronco that had me thanking everyone I was not the one riding him.  

     I have been thinking about moving him to another barn for a few reasons which include that I do not have the proper facilities/things that one needs for such a young horse.  The only problem is, I don't know if I can get all that I need all at the same barn. So now I need to weigh what is most important when I decide to move him.  Unfortunately, the choices seem to be very limited here.

     

    Based on all of this information, can you please give me some feedback on my thinking here:

    1.  Turnout.  Potential new barn has the small, enclosed menage or dirt pit that they charge you for every time one of the staff turns your horse out.  My existing barn has a huge paddock that unfortunately cannot be used for the next 2 weeks due to grass seeds but there is no charge for this services.  I know for a fact that my Friesian's bucking was caused by excess energy / no turnout.  By the way, I am the only owner in this barn that has requested daily turnout.  I am like the Alien American here!  So charged for dirt pit or free paddock?

    2.  New barn has a great Grand Prix instructor but is pretty expensive.  Existing barn has a very reasonable rate for both combined training and actual lessons from the Barn Manager who is a bit eccentric. 

    3.  The stall/box is a bit smaller in the new barn and there are alot of horses (40 to about 16).  Stalls are smaller but so clean.  The indoor arenas are very crowded in both barns so there is no way to get around that.

    4.  I can longe in the indoor arena in the new place.  Currently, I cannot longe in any of the rings at my existing barn except for an area that has no fence and goes onto a main road.  The Barn Manager says this ruins the floor.  My horse is extremely strong and we are working on the dominance issue now but when he bucks/rears/ and drags me across this area for the 1st few minutes, it is very scary.  I am just waiting for him to get away from me soon!

    5.  Existing barn has no trails (not possible right now anyhow since he is really strong) new barn has tons of trails.

    6.  Potential barn is 5 minutes from my apartment, existing barn about 20+ minutes.  This would help my commute time of 1.45 in each direction.

    7.  Being charged for every little thing at the new barn.  Lump sum all/heavily discounted rate at existing barn.

     Thanks for your help.  I really would like to hear what you all believe are the must haves at a barn.  I really feel like I am banging my head against a brick wall trying to express the way I have been taught in the States vs. the European way.

     Cat

     

     

    A pro/con sheet would be good for this.  List out the pros and cons of each barn, then by number, 1-10 which is most important to you.   That will help make more things clear.  If your horse needs you to ride him more often, then being close to him is probably a number one.  Don't let what another country or culture tells you is right go against what you know in your heart. 

    Second, whoever does the cleaning, feeding, caring for your horse, you are ultimately responsible.  So clean your own stall if you want and be pushy about it knowing that you are doing right for your horse.

    Lastly, as far as your horse doing something completely out of character... there could be a million reasons for it.  The more time you spend with your horse in every way (riding, feeding, turnout, cleaning) the more you know your horse.  Keep us posted on that aspect.  There are a lot of people on this board who know more than I and can help you with behavioral issues.  I will be watching to see their responses.

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  • 04-06-2008 11:02 PM In reply to

    Re: Top 5 Things a Barn/Riding Facility must have in order to move your horse

    First things first: this won't really be an answer to your question, but might get you to thinking about things.  Where are you from, or where are you living?  I am in Austria and it would be interesting to talk to somebody here in Europe.

    But now to this that really got me thinking:

     

     My horse is extremely strong and we are working on the dominance issue now but when he bucks/rears/ and drags me across this area for the 1st few minutes, it is very scary.  I am just waiting for him to get away from me soon!

    Dominace issue?  Dragging you acroos the area?  And he is 5 years old?  After hearing all of this I think that you have more important problems than finding a new barn.  I know that there are horses that are very dominant, but maybe you are just not dominant enough.  We have a couple of youngsters, but none of them have ever dragged any of us anywhere, even though they might have given it a try. I honestly think that I would be more concerned about this problem, than if the stall was mucked or picked out!

  • 04-07-2008 2:34 AM In reply to

    Re: Top 5 Things a Barn/Riding Facility must have in order to move your horse

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  • 04-07-2008 2:39 AM In reply to

    Re: Top 5 Things a Barn/Riding Facility must have in order to move your horse

    Hi

    Thank you for your response.  Yes, we have a Dominace Issue with my 5 year old because he was gelded late about 7 months ago.

     It is because I cannot properly work him, including having a fenced in enclosure that is causing all of these problems.  The Autobahn is right there and I have to settle him down without having to worry about him breaking away.  No turnout (because of the grass seeds), equal one happy, fresh excessively strong horse.  For example, we used the furhlange yesterday for 45 minutes and I longed him for about 10 to see how he would be.  He ended up dragging for a few seconds but he eventually calmed down.  It is alot to think about - runaway horse and roadway!

    Picking out the stall was only 1 of several issues I have and yes, that is a problem because he has major thrush in his hind feet.  Lots of medical bills as well.

    All of these issues are coming together and causing no forward movement. 

    Hopefully this is much clearer now.

    P.S.  My barn is in Germany and I live in Switzerland.

  • 04-11-2008 11:53 AM In reply to

    Re: Top 5 Things a Barn/Riding Facility must have in order to move your horse

    Wow, that is a very tough situation and I understand your frustration.  I think if it was me I would probably do anything to get my horse turned out.  Not only is it a sanity thing, but it is also important to keep those joints moving as much as possible to avoid problems later in life.  So for me, this would be A-1 priority. 

    I do agree that it sounds like you need to do some more focused ground work -- you need something to say to him "HEY PAY ATTENTION NOW!"  Just running him in circles with exerciser and longer isn't going to achieve this goal for you -- as you said, he is young and strong.  I might try to do some work with yielding from the ground and I'd sure have the thinnest rope halter I could buy to get his attention if my alternative was him bolting into the Autobahn! 



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  • 04-13-2008 1:20 AM In reply to

    Re: Top 5 Things a Barn/Riding Facility must have in order to move your horse

    Thanks to all who replied to my plea. Big Smile  

     We finally found a barn that has most of the points mentioned on my list.  Of course, there will be a few compromises but that is to be expected.  The main thing is that the new barn is only 5 minutes away from my apartment by car which means I will be able spend more time with him.  No more crossing town just to get to him after my long commute after work.  Just hop in the car and we are there!

    The key issue was the dominance problem and we will now have a secure area to work and get his feet moving with no worry.   I have been following Clinton Anderson and my horse has already learned a few exercises.   I am now able to longe indoors in the hall including having access to a round pen. He will be turned-out as well and we worked it all into a lump sum price.  There are additional paddocks that I did not see on my first view of the place that are much larger.  He will have a great area to be turned out but alot of barns have had problems with no grass this year hence the dirt.  

    The new Barn Manager is really nice and speaks great English.   He will be schooled in lessons twice per week on those days I get caught up working late so we don't have any cold-backed problems again.  I am also hoping that his thrush problem in the back foot will eventually clear up at the new place.  I am running out of cotton balls to pack into his feet Stick out tongue

    There is no Autobahn to worry about but instead miles of trails so that we both have a nice goal to aim for in future.  It would be so nice to hack once in awhile but we have only been schooling indoors.    Hopefully, in 6-12 months, we will have taken a major step forward.

    I am really excited about this change though I am a bit sad to say good bye to the friends I have made.  I will give an update in a couple of months with good news!

    Thanks again! 


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