Help! Lunging...
Last post 11-07-2009 8:24 PM by AnnieW128. 15 replies.
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11-02-2009 7:46 PM
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AnnieW128


- Joined on 06-09-2009
- Foal
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*Long post ahead*
I'm leasing one of those horses: the kind that makes you miserable some days. We've made amazing progress without any help. He no longer lunges for my hands when I blanket him, he'll actually let me pick his feet without kicking me, he's learned to back, his canter is collecting, and he doesn't throw his head as much. (Added bonus: he no longer tries to bite me whenever I'm not facing him.)
Sadly, his previous owner clearly never lunged him, and he has no idea what to do when I take him in a round pen. I don't mean he doesn't understand the cues for slowing down, changing direction, etc.; I mean that he doesn't even understand the concept of leaving the person's side. When I finally got him on the gate, he had of those "freedom" moments. He took off cantering around the pen, (luckily it was a large one), tossing his head with the whites of his eyes showing. I asked him to slow down, then stop, which he did. However, when I asked him to change direction, he decided to rear...twice. I've worked with some crazy horses, but they've all known how to lunge, and the rears were enough to spook me a little bit because he was just SO close to me. I want to get this right, and I will, but I need help! How do you teach a horse to lunge? Tips/tricks appreciated.
~Happy hoofbeats Annie-Kate
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Jackson1


- Joined on 12-29-2008
- Utah
- Ground Training
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When I first got my crazy TB, he did some of the same things. Mostly, he was so scared that he would just run away, dragging my little 13 year old self behind him. I never had a round pen to teach him in, so I had my mom (who didn't know I had gotten dragged when lunging, I just said he would stand still) walk him around the circle while I stood in the middle. When I gave commands, my mom would also ask him to stop, slow, whatever I was asking for. He picked it up pretty quickly, but it did take a lot of trudging around a circle to get him to understand that he wasn't suppose to either stick to my side or practice his wild horse moves. It sounds like you don't have much help, but if you could get someone to help even for a few minutes a day, this method should work. The only other thing I can think of would be to start with a short lunge line and get him to make a small circle around you, slowly letting it get larger as he gets comfortable. I think having a line on him may help with getting him to turn as well. It doesn't sound like he is ready for free lunging, it may be to much freedom for him right now!
There is something about the outside of a horse that is good for the inside of a man. ~Winston Churchill
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madel_equestrian


- Joined on 10-27-2009
- Texas/California
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advice #1: Get a groundwork lesson from a reputable cowboy... think chris cox, craig cameron, clinton anderson, etc. (probably not a parelli... ) If your horse is rearing or being agressive towards you it is time for you to learn to show him some discipline and earn yourself respect but this is best done for the first few times with an experienced trainer. advice #2: get some groundwork training dvds... again think chris cox, craig cameron, or clinton anderson, and learn how they deal with horses with issues on the ground.
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48northfarm


- Joined on 03-01-2009
- Port Townsend, WA
- Ground Training
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I agree with the last post: regardless of whether he's longeing or free-longeing, HE SHOULD NOT REAR! That is a sign of disrespect and/or fear, and it's dangerous. Please, do not continue longeing him until you have his manners sharpened up, especially close up like you have to at the beginning. That's not really anything you can do by yourself, via DVD or book, when your horse is exhibiting such troubling behavior. Look for a natural horsemanship trainer that can help you. It sounds as though you two have made some progress, but there's still some important things to be covered. Good luck!
Megan
"No matter how badly behaved you are, your horse always gives you a second chance." Anonymous
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AnnieW128


- Joined on 06-09-2009
- Foal
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I'm doing something similar-using my lunge whip to keep his head away from me while he walks in a circle. Thanks.
*Update*
Took Toby into the round pen again today, and I kept him on his lead rope and at a walk. He acted totally sane, and while he was pretty confused for a bit we had the longed for lightbulb moment. We got 4-5 good circles, ears on me, moving well. He only goes one way at the moment, but I'll take it! What really made it click was my "training stick" (lunge whip), kept right at the start of his neck. Any additional advice is still appreciated.
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Solaris


- Joined on 07-03-2006
- Durham, NC
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That's great, Annie, keep it up! When I bought my horse, he had been abused with a longe whip, so he did NOT longe. It's ok, if it only works in one direction right now, just work in small steps and don't feel like you HAVE to follow any rules of what to do. We started off walking in one direction. Then trotting in one direction. Slowly we moved to both directions and three years later we can (sometimes) canter in both directions, although it's not pretty. Fear/panic is something you have to work with very slowly and watch your horse carefully to know when to back off and give him a brain break. Don't be afraid to backtrack if he gets scared, it's ok to let him do something easy, then quit and try again tomorrow.
 Solaris -- 16 hh Appendix Quarter Horse = MY DREAM COME TRUE! Wander With Wild ThingsWe Are Flying Solo
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AnnieW128


- Joined on 06-09-2009
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Thanks for reminding me about the backtracking thing. I sometimes feel like I'm "cheating" when I backtrack, but it's what best for the horse...
And luckily, Toby doesn't have any fear of the lunge whip...I'd be beside myself if he did! May I ask how you taught your horse to move off without the aid of a whip?
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flakemusic


- Joined on 07-01-2007
- Chicago
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AnnieW128:I used both body language and twirling the lead rope, and I got zip. He would actually just turn his rump away from me, but circle me while facing me. What did you do vocally?
What is your natural energy level like? I am a quiet, small person, and when I first started lunging Lily she looked at me with stubborn, laughing eyes and just stood there. Seriously. She'd kind of walk when she wanted to, but it was so frustrating! I squared my shoulders, tried to make intimidating noises, tried to pop the whip a little, nada. But my trainer, who is a really go, go, go type of guy with a loud voice and big personality could get any horse going with a lead rope, or his vest (while he's wearing it, I'm not kidding!) because he just has that presence.
It took me a long time, but I've started to build one up, too. With Lily it just took consistency, and her getting to know me. She learned that she couldn't take no for an answer on other things (picking up and holding her feet, staying out of my space, etc.) and that did transfer over. I also realized that the second I started worrying that someone might see me acting ridiculous, she picked up on my attention being elsewhere. So I decided to stop caring what I looked like and just focus in on her. It works!
She has never been remotely worried about the lunge whip, so I learned to make slightly scarier noises with it. But really, I try not to overuse it, because where do you go after that? We had a few sessions where, even though I knew she knew how to lunge nicely, I would just praise her for walking off willingly on command. And we moved slowly, because even though it seemed like it was moving backwards, I think she had to learn me, and I her.
Hope that helps a little. Oh, and this sounds like a weird thing, but I noticed I had a lot more "natural energy" in the morning right after my coffee! Haha.
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Solaris


- Joined on 07-03-2006
- Durham, NC
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If he turned his rump towards you, that is the horsey version of giving you the finger. If a horse does that to me, his head gets hauled around to face me and my presence gets a lot "bigger" as flakemusic was explaining. His eyes should be on you at all times. You can use your body and eyes to focus on his hip and "drive" it away from you, by walking aggressively towards it, staring at it while bending over sideways (it sounds crazy, but I swear it works!), and driving with your rope/whip. I would work with him on yielding different parts of his body to you -- his hip, his shoulder, his head and neck and experiment with your body language. You would really be amazed what a difference even your mental state can make -- if you stomp towards a horse with visions of eating him, he will pay attention in a big fat hurry!
 Solaris -- 16 hh Appendix Quarter Horse = MY DREAM COME TRUE! Wander With Wild ThingsWe Are Flying Solo
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48northfarm


- Joined on 03-01-2009
- Port Townsend, WA
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Oh, boy, is that a hard one for most women: getting big enough to project your intent to the horse and have her PAY ATTENTION! I'm still working on it, and I was told by several horsepeople--the ones that have it figured out, the ones that can get a horse to do things that I can't even get close to--that often it requires getting mad at the horse. If you are ready to eat that horse for breakfast, your intent is very evident to the horse, and she focuses on you immediately.
The trick is in getting mad, and being able to rid yourself of the anger as soon as you get what you want. Just let it go, don't hold a grudge. Flare up, then completely forget about it. But remember, do not punish the horse: do not let your anger force you to lose your temper.
Then, remember the feeling you had when you were REALLY pissed, and try to import that feeling into your attitude without the anger. Men can often do that, but it seems harder for women. Someone I know said that men can do it easier b/c their wiring is more black-and-white--like horses--and women are more emotional, with a lot more gray in their thoughts.
I still haven't gotten that attitude perfected yet, but I see glimpses of it working with my horses and my dogs more and more often. Once you get it, you wonder why you never could do it before. Go figure. :)
Megan
"No matter how badly behaved you are, your horse always gives you a second chance." Anonymous
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