He finally arrived! Look at my stallion's first foal! :)
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04-14-2008 2:59 PM
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blueyedhorse
  - Joined on 06-07-2006
- Giles County, Virginia
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Re: He finally arrived! Look at my stallion's first foal! :)
I'll leave the perlino or cremello up to the more experienced horse color folks, LOL. I'll just say he's adorable and congrats on the birth of your stallion's first foal 
 I pray the gentle hands may guide my feet;I ask for kind commands from voices sweet; At night a stable warm with scented hay, where, safe from every harm, I'll sleep till day. - Pony's prayer
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liberty14
  - Joined on 08-03-2005
- Under Saddle
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Re: He finally arrived! Look at my stallion's first foal! :)
Thanks! It seemed like forever waiting for that foal. He was worth waiting for though. :)
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liberty14
- Joined on 08-03-2005
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Re: He finally arrived! Look at my stallion's first foal! :)
That is a nice name. I was thinking about Justa Lil' Rebel. Keep them coming. :)
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Re: He finally arrived! Look at my stallion's first foal! :)
Aww what a little cutie!!!
Congrats!!
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CheyAut
  - Joined on 08-03-2005
- New River, Az
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Re: He finally arrived! Look at my stallion's first foal! :)
With double dilutes, you really can't guess, they can all look the same. The only way is to test. Extension (aka red factor, the E) is only $25 and will tell you if he's black based (perlino) or red based (cremello)
He's adorable, congrats :) Sure wish mine would pop! LOL
Jessi
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CheyAut
- Joined on 08-03-2005
- New River, Az
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Re: He finally arrived! Look at my stallion's first foal! :)
Me again... does he have blue eyes? He almost looks like a light palomino in those photos, maybe it's just my computer. I assume his daddy has a cream gene?
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Re: He finally arrived! Look at my stallion's first foal! :)
He's a cutey!
Has dad been tested for color genes? Does he have a creme gene? If he doesn't (and I suppose it would be hard to tell visually on the black based grullo) then then foal isn't a double dilute and you have a mystery in the blue eyes. Also, if he's homozygous black then you know baby is black based which rules out cremello (leaving smokey black and perlino for the double dilutes, which means he'd be perlino and mom's hiding an agouti modifier (well, based on my assessment that he doesn't "look" smokey black in the pictures, and I'm not an expert ;) )).
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Dukey
 - Joined on 02-19-2008
- Warren Grove NJ
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Re: He finally arrived! Look at my stallion's first foal! :)
Aww, how adorable. Hey looks like he's a palimino(sp?) on my computer too. I like the name "Justa Lil rebel" too. Good luck with him. how's mom doing?
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liberty14
- Joined on 08-03-2005
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Re: He finally arrived! Look at my stallion's first foal! :)
Okay not sure if this will help or not, but...
His Sire: Kings Boston Rebel - Grullo (I know that he has a red gene)
Rebel's sire - dun
Rebel's dam - sorrel
His Dam: Justa Real Honey - Palomino
Her sire - buckskin
Her dam - red dun
Honey has had 5 foals so far
2 by a Chestnut stallion
1 - bay
1 - Chestnut
2 by a bay roan stallion
1 - blue roan
1 - bay roan
Then the one you see above. The only colt she has had so far.
This is Rebel's DNA color test that I got back:
Coat Color results for Kings Boston Rebel(DT15764):
Red-Factor Result:
E/e - Both black and red factors detected. Either E or e transmitted to offspring. Basic color is black, bay or brown in the absence of other modifying genes.
Agouti Result:
a/a - Only recessive allele detected. Black pigment distributed uniformly. Basic color is black in the absence of other modifying genes.
Cream Result:
N/Cr - Heterozygous, dilute, one copy of Cream gene. Typical colors are palomino, buckskin and smoky black in the absence of other modifying genes.
Does that give you any idea of whether or not he is a cremello or perlino. I did some research on it today and I think he might be a cremello, but am definitely not sure. His mane is slightly lighter than the rest of his coat.
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CheyAut
- Joined on 08-03-2005
- New River, Az
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Re: He finally arrived! Look at my stallion's first foal! :)
 liberty14:
Okay not sure if this will help or not, but...
His Sire: Kings Boston Rebel - Grullo (I know that he has a red gene)
Rebel's sire - dun
Rebel's dam - sorrel
His Dam: Justa Real Honey - Palomino
Her sire - buckskin
Her dam - red dun
Honey has had 5 foals so far
2 by a Chestnut stallion
1 - bay
1 - Chestnut
2 by a bay roan stallion
1 - blue roan
1 - bay roan
Then the one you see above. The only colt she has had so far.
This is Rebel's DNA color test that I got back:
Coat Color results for Kings Boston Rebel(DT15764):
Red-Factor Result:
E/e - Both black and red factors detected. Either E or e transmitted to offspring. Basic color is black, bay or brown in the absence of other modifying genes.
Agouti Result:
a/a - Only recessive allele detected. Black pigment distributed uniformly. Basic color is black in the absence of other modifying genes.
Cream Result:
N/Cr - Heterozygous, dilute, one copy of Cream gene. Typical colors are palomino, buckskin and smoky black in the absence of other modifying genes.
Does that give you any idea of whether or not he is a cremello or perlino. I did some research on it today and I think he might be a cremello, but am definitely not sure. His mane is slightly lighter than the rest of his coat.
Ok, so daddy does have a cream gene, and so with mommy's, foal can be double dilute. Did you say if foal has blue eyes or not? If not, foal is NOT double dilute. If does, I would think that yes, double dilulte (as I don't see any evidence of frame or splash... but frame CAN "hide" so it's a remote possibility but I highly doubt it)
Mom is palo, so foal MUST have one e. Dad has both E or e, so foal is either Ee or ee... so you can't tell if cremello vs perlino without genetic test.
Not related to this foal, there is a problem with one of the foals for Honey you mentioned. Palomino is chestnut ee with one cream gene. Chestnuts can only give e. You say she and a chestnut (both ee) had a bay, that is impossible. Chestnut to chestnut can only produce bay. Just FYI as that has nothing to do with this baby (who is so cute, more pics please!)
Enjoy your little one! Keeping or selling?
Jessi
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Re: He finally arrived! Look at my stallion's first foal! :)
CheyAut: liberty14: Okay not sure if this will help or not, but... His Sire: Kings Boston Rebel - Grullo (I know that he has a red gene)
Rebel's sire - dun
Rebel's dam - sorrel
His Dam: Justa Real Honey - Palomino
Her sire - buckskin
Her dam - red dun
Honey has had 5 foals so far
2 by a Chestnut stallion
1 - bay
1 - Chestnut
2 by a bay roan stallion
1 - blue roan
1 - bay roan
Then the one you see above. The only colt she has had so far.
This is Rebel's DNA color test that I got back:
Coat Color results for Kings Boston Rebel(DT15764):
Red-Factor Result:
E/e - Both black and red factors detected. Either E or e transmitted to offspring. Basic color is black, bay or brown in the absence of other modifying genes.
Agouti Result:
a/a - Only recessive allele detected. Black pigment distributed uniformly. Basic color is black in the absence of other modifying genes.
Cream Result:
N/Cr - Heterozygous, dilute, one copy of Cream gene. Typical colors are palomino, buckskin and smoky black in the absence of other modifying genes.
Does that give you any idea of whether or not he is a cremello or perlino. I did some research on it today and I think he might be a cremello, but am definitely not sure. His mane is slightly lighter than the rest of his coat.
Ok, so daddy does have a cream gene, and so with mommy's, foal can be double dilute. Did you say if foal has blue eyes or not? If not, foal is NOT double dilute. If does, I would think that yes, double dilulte (as I don't see any evidence of frame or splash... but frame CAN "hide" so it's a remote possibility but I highly doubt it) Mom is palo, so foal MUST have one e. Dad has both E or e, so foal is either Ee or ee... so you can't tell if cremello vs perlino without genetic test. Not related to this foal, there is a problem with one of the foals for Honey you mentioned. Palomino is chestnut ee with one cream gene. Chestnuts can only give e. You say she and a chestnut (both ee) had a bay, that is impossible. Chestnut to chestnut can only produce bay. Just FYI as that has nothing to do with this baby (who is so cute, more pics please!) Enjoy your little one! Keeping or selling?
Jessi
I agree :) Cheyaut is right.
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