On Deck, Cleve Wells
Last post 06-14-2009 12:18 AM by speakercow. 105 replies.
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01-23-2009 7:39 AM
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Juli Thorson


- Joined on 02-13-2008
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Thank you for your concern about the article announced in our February issue.
Please be advised that the article announced in the February issue (which went to press before Christmas) is not being published.
Horse&Rider has suspended its involvement with Mr. Wells as a member of Team Horse&Rider.
--The editors of H&R
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txspots


- Joined on 06-25-2008
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This whole Cleve Wells mess makes me very sad. I cried when I saw the pictures of the horse in question. I'm so scared there are others out there suffering like this.
. . .and ride that pony fast like a cowboy from the past be young and wild and free like Texas in 1880. . .
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OklaHorsebreeder


- Joined on 01-26-2009
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Juli
I am apalled at this responce and will pull my subscription to your magazine. I will also inform everyone I know of this decision and I am sure subscriptions will be cancelled.
Since when do we make harsh judgments without knowing the facts?
There is no excuse for a magazine like this announcing to pull a contributor when only one side of the story comes out on the Internet as gossip and opinion.
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Schwab


- Joined on 01-26-2009
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I see that everyone here has Mr Wells tried and convicted because some people have posted an Internet campaign to pubicly ruin his business before he has ever had a hearing.
While I want all horse abusers punished, I also believe in the American ideal of Innocent until provern quilty.
By not publishing Mr wells article, you seem to be saying he is quilty of horse abuse and following the herd of Internet sheep.
I would have hoped more from this magazine and that is why I will no longer purchase it.
You may find the information on this website to be helpful understanding a persons rights under the law in a case like this. http://www.equinelegalsolutions.com/blog.html
Susan J Schwab
Schwab Quarter Horses
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LilPeck


- Joined on 01-15-2009
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I applaud the moral leadership shown by the Horse & Rider staff regarding this matter.
On the gohorseshow site, in his On the Cart interview with Ted Turner, Troy Compton said:
"TC: This deal is going to get big.
TC: AQHA has got to start making a stronger stand on policing it. They’ve got to. We’ve got to start policing ourselves and this is going to have to boil down to that."
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The one gentleman in question is not an isolated case, unfortunately, and Mr. Compton is correct, the trainer community must start policing itself
Lil Peck / Kansas
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nikelodeon79


- Joined on 10-30-2008
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Schwab:I see that everyone here has Mr Wells tried and convicted because some people have posted an Internet campaign to pubicly ruin his business before he has ever had a hearing. While I want all horse abusers punished, I also believe in the American ideal of Innocent until provern quilty. By not publishing Mr wells article, you seem to be saying he is quilty of horse abuse and following the herd of Internet sheep.
When a teacher is accused of sexual harrassment/abuse, he or she is given leave from the school until after the matter is resolved/brought to trial. When a member of law enforcement is charged with using excessive force, etc. he or she is given leave until after the matter is resolved/brought to trial.
Why is this so different?
Mr. Wells is accused of abuse of horses. Horse & Rider is a magazine that promotes healthy relationships with horses. There is absolutely no reason why he shouldn't be put "on leave" as a writer in their magazine until after this mess has come to a conclusion. I support H&R's decision wholeheartedly.

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flakemusic


- Joined on 07-01-2007
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nikelodeon79:Mr. Wells is accused of abuse of horses. Horse & Rider is a magazine that promotes healthy relationships with horses. There is absolutely no reason why he shouldn't be put "on leave" as a writer in their magazine until after this mess has come to a conclusion. I support H&R's decision wholeheartedly.
I agree. There is a difference between a fair "trial" and supporting the continuation of alleged abuse. Innocent until proven guilty applies to legal sentencing, not whether or not an article is run. If someone is accused of abuse, we investigate it thoroughly, we do not leave the accused abuser with the same responsibilities.
I believe that the equestrian community is, for the most part, fair in its judgement of accusations. When Courtney King-Dye was dealing with the positive drug test in her horse, most of the community stuck by her when she was unfairly disqualified from the Olympics even after she proved the source of contamination.
Abuse is a very serious matter, and Horse & Rider is right to suspend Mr. Wells until the issue has been fairly decided.
http://alittlefaith16.wordpress.com/ 
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I, too, believe in INNOCENT until proven GUILTY (Sorry, I had it posted backwards before. Please, excuse my blunder.). But as someone pointed out, other professions suspend people until the courts have a chance to weigh the matter legally. I certainly wouldn't want someone accused of child abuse dealing with my child and I woudn't want someone accused of animal abuse training my animal.
Further, I believe that Horse and Rider has made a reasonable and responsible move to pull Mr. Wells article until the matter is clear up, one way or another. After all they are responsible for the information that they bring to their subscribers. Being aware of a possible problem, they really have no other alternative.
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OklaHorsebreeder


- Joined on 01-26-2009
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nikelodeon79
"Mr. Wells is accused of abuse of horses. Horse & Rider is a magazine that promotes healthy relationships with horses. There is absolutely no reason why he shouldn't be put "on leave" as a writer in their magazine until after this mess has come to a conclusion. I support H&R's decision wholeheartedly."
Please show me when his trial is supposed to happen? Please show me where it says a hearing with the PHA is anything but a hearing.
The only accusations I see are on the internet, with evidence put forth by someone I have never heard of or ever seen.
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OklaHorsebreeder


- Joined on 01-26-2009
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Mr. Wells has been accused of nothing.
You show me where he is accused and who accused him other then people on the Internet. I heard that the case was investigated by the Johnson County Sheriff and the SPCA of Texas and the file was closed.
He has a hearing in front of the PHA board but they didn't accuse him of any wrong doing and would not do so until after the hearing.
Another thing, from what I understand Mr. Wells was not home at the time this supposedly happened. If that is the case, while he is responsible for vet bills etc. if this happened on his property he should not be accused of abusing a horse if he didnot do it. I thought you people wanted to punish abusers?
If you lent out your car to someone and they got drunk and killed someone, how would you feel if people on the internet did to you what they are doing to Mr.Wells? How would you feel if you were accused of that drunk drivers offence?
As I said I'm against horse abuse, but I'm also for punishing the abuser.
Just my opinion
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